The China-centric video sharing platform is expanding with a new international app and an English version of its website – with no identity verification (for now at least)
I trust this as much as I trust big American tech platforms.
Considering how much damage Google et al do, I legitimately wonder whether China could even do worse, and I’m not even a tankie.
Don’t fall for the proximity bias, china is decades ahead on surveillance and stepping on personal rights. They act as a hive. They care more for what they believe that are they nationals and may look harmless to us non-chinese… but i do fear them.
In any case, I dont see them pressing a button to launch swarms of AI commanded drones to kill every person on a partially AI generated list that they probably already have in their hands, right now… i leave that dystopia to israel alone.
Not terribly interested in this video platform as I also don’t use YouTube. I really hope Google gets broken up and I don’t like them harvesting my data and selling it to the US Government any more than I like companies like Bytedance selling my data to the Chinese Government. I am in the US and think we should have established data privacy and data protection laws long before things got to the point they have gotten too.
Political censorship is definitely worse so I‘m not going to bother.
This is one thing I noticed using Chinese social media. There are almost zero discussions of local politics. Foreign politics is fine though
You get nuked from orbit if you attempt to talk about local politics is why. Like hard.
Because YouTube doesn’t engage in anything like that ofc.
Are you seriously insinuating that the level of censorship on YouTube is anywhere close to Chinese platforms? A quick look on both websites would give you that answer very quickly.
Sure, but I’d rather have my info safely offshore in China than to give it right to big brother. I also bet far far fewer ads and more fun commercials because you have no idea what they are about. They are currently destoyjng the natural order in printer ink. I support that wholeheartedly. My Epson inks are 90 and the knockoffs are 20 and work just as well. It’s always temporarily beneficial when player 2 enters the market.
*Edit it does not like vpns. That’s a no for me.
Ah yes, instead of US big brother you give it to offshore Big Brother.
But China isn’t going to sell my data to Uncle Sam to help deport my family (who are legal citizens). So there’s that.
Are you really sure? Oh wait, you’re from .ml you probably actually believe it.
Not absolutely sure… but I’ll take “Probably wouldn’t” over “Definitely already does.”
Why would you think that?
Who is more of a direct threat to US citizens ? At the moment I would say there’s way more chance ICE will come after you for posting or speaking out or protesting or hell just being you. I can’t remember the last time I worried about China selling me something because that’s what they will use the data for.
I’d say China is the greatest threat to U.S. sovereignty but that’s a discussion no one here seems to want to have. No one seems to think TikTok is an issue apparently.
Edit: it’s been an issue since musical.ly, just so we’re clear
Unless I can make A whole channel dedicated to 1989 Massacre Im not interested.
Given how China just took all the money away from and sent to prison the CEO of evergrande, I’m starting to trust their apps more than american ones.
The only reason that happened was because that CEO’s decisions lead to massive negative results in China’s real-estate sectors, which in turn cost the Chinese government a lot of money, and THAT is why that criminal actually saw consequences.
Don’t take that as proof that China judges everyone fairly regardless of wealth/status. As long as you keep your crimes to an extent that it doesn’t cause a massive backlash on large swaths of the country, it’s a different ballgame.
As others have said, you’d be wise to distrust both.
As long as you keep your crimes to an extent that it doesn’t cause a massive backlash on large swaths of the country, it’s a different ballgame.
actually that does sound kinda reasonable. what is a crime, if not defined by its negative consequences for the rest of the population?
That’s not what he said. There’s a difference between crimes that can’t easily be traced to you and crimes that trigger outrage against you. China acts against the latter. Much of their consumer rights enforcement is about appeasement, not about actual rights, so you only see big action when there’s scandals about serious harm and people effectively being robbed. And you better not talk about it when it’s “done”.
Because the problems aren’t with the businesses like it is in the US.
They are with the government. Which can get much worse since there is no one to govern those.
And in China, the government is in every app. It is by law.
lol, same here
I can’t wait for this to be announced as a threat to national security after creating mild competition for YouTube.
Maybe things change in the future, but right now I see VHS tapes at local thrift shops as being bigger competition to houtube than this.
Absolutely already a national security concern, but also technically already banned by the bill which banned TikTok.
Question is how hard they need to stroke Trump for it to be unenforceable.
What is the national security concern?
Psychological operations and warfare, mainly disinformation campaigns akin to TikTok used to sway political sentiment in favor of authoritarians such as Trump.
Equally bad: extreme data gathering, also akin to tiktok.
I guess. TikTok did raise awareness of the Gaza genocide and, by extension, create instability in the US. It also distanced the public from the US government’s closest ally, Israel.
https://www.theverge.com/features/761076/gaza-images-starvation-tiktok-ban
It directly promoted GOP leading up to 2024 and even Trump by name:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/may/06/tiktok-pro-republican-algorithm-2024-election
Then they did the exact same thing by promoting the AFD in Germany:
This has NOT distanced the USA from Israel; they have never been closer. The GOP are pushing bills that will combine Israel military with the USA’s.
Brother, according to that logic, YouTube is a national security risk. I was refering to things the American govt labels as a national security risk to protect corporate interests.
YouTube is run by a company within the USA.
That does not compare to a company run by a hostile dictatorship’s military.
Nor has it had nearly the same impact: there was a 10 point shift among youth voters in favor of conservatives after TikTok, a complete reversal of a century old trend.
Won’t last. Youtube offers financial incentives and originally when Youtube got big it had lax as fuck censorship which is what gained it’s initial popularity. Unless China is going to be entirely lax in the same way, there is no incentive for people to move over.
Google is such a bully, I want china to succeed.
BRB, gonna upload something about Tianaamen Square.
They will just remove it
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Great firewall strikes again
Same old shit, different day. Can’t you find anything original? Post something negative about ICE on YouTube or something negative about Israel.
I got perma banned from reddit because of my comment that all the ICE traitors will never get their sign on bonus - which they haven’t - and after this is all over, they will have to go back to sucking immigrant cock behind the dollar store.
So don’t talk to me about propaganda and censorship. Western tech companies are just as bad if not worse. Especially Twitter or X or Y or whatever that shit is called, doesn’t know the first thing about free speech. Not that surprising if the owner does a Hitler salute.
Edit: one last thing. How much better is the American TikTok after it was taken over by another right wing company? Yeah, I thought so.
Believe it or not, two separate things can both be bad.
So should an article about a Chinese app not automatically get the ‘Tiananmen square’ response. Or any article about China for that matter. Like a Pavlov reaction.
Should an article about a Chinese app not get a comment about Chinese censorship?
No. It’s highly relevant.
i for one welcome our new overlord
YouTube’s censorship has become worse than cable TV’s (in the US). I have a feeling that BiliBili will only further normalize the aggressive censorship, like TikTok did.
I’ve been using a VPN to watch stuff there for years
They’re going to need to drastically change how the platform looks if they want to succeed. In typical Chinese app fashion the UI is incredibly bloated and overwhelming, not what a Western audience wants at all. They also won’t be able to match YouTube’s CPM so creators won’t bother switching either.
Oh boy coyote urine over coyote urine my fave.
Unfortunately Coyote Urine is still more expensive per month than Youtube Premium. I’m not sure if this affects your plans.
https://www.amazon.com/PredatorPee-100-Coyote-Urine-Territorial/dp/B0CX77S6GW
I mean. This is… Not worse than now, I guess?
Any entity that can take a chunk out of YouTube’s dominance is a good thing.
But I’m not going to celebrate another corp making a shamelessly monetized video site. They’re independent-ish now, yes, but for how long? It’s just a different flavor of attention gaming and enshittification in the long run.
And I’m skeptical they have the muscle to significantly displace YouTube’s iron grip on everything, even with Google tightening the screws.
Cool, I’m gonna upload Tienanmen massacre documentary as a first thing.
Something something the one joke (about China)
They ran over children with tanks and it’s a crime to talk about it there.
Yes I will make fun of the Chinese government for not acknowledging their atrocities. Yes I also refuse to shut up about the US government putting Japanese-Americans in camps during WW2, or shooting college kids at Kent state, or putting Mexican kids in cages under the past 3 presidents. Don’t let governments hide the boot they want on our necks
I’ve asked multiple Chinese colleagues who have lived in China for most of their lives and they all openly discussed it with me.
This Reddit tier hoax needs to die.
Hey, I welcome any serious competition. Youtube has devolved into a much more censored platform than what we used to make fun of the Chinese for. “Unalive”, “grape”, and several topics that are demonetized on sight.
I found clip.place , a peertube instance really good alternative to YouTube. I am sure there are others.
Thing is peertube is still pretty much new and empty. I didn’t find much content that I would be interested in or even an interesting community. Although I see its potential as a social platform I don’t think it will ever replace YouTube (at least for me) as it wouldn’t give creators the financial incentive to use it.
YouTube barely gives a financial incentive for most creators, that’s why most of them take sponsorship deals and/or use Patreon.
YouTube payout for creators is %55 of ad revenue generated per video.
PeerTube payout for creators is the ability to add a donation button on your page.
You ain’t got to lie Craig.
Do you understand what “barely” means? I didn’t say no financial incentive, I said barely. And Youtube taking almost half of your ad revenue (which itself is pocket change unless you’re a channel focused on investing, law, software development or real estate or you’re a channel regularly making over 100k videos) is barely a financial incentive. People complain about Valve taking 30% from game sales and Youtube takes 45%.
But you are correct in the sense that you can still make decent money with Youtube ads. But to make worthwhile money you need to make videos in the niches advertisers like, target an audience advertisers like (almost exclusively English speaking audience) and make videos that make at least over 1k views (which instantly puts you in the top 10% of content creators). Or be in the top 1% of content creators and average over 100k views per video. If you’re making something like gaming videos for 10k viewers Youtube pays you around $5 per video. At that point for the same video and viewers you’re probably going to make more money from the Peertube donation button than Youtube ad revenue.
So no, I’m not lying.
These things take time. Depends on instances. There are audience for YouTube. I am happy to bet on Peertube.
