i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

right. so I don’t go around making arguments based on claims like that

Plants can’t think and they don’t feel pain,

this can’t be proven

We feed the majority of that food to the livestock

no, humans consume about 2/3 of global crop calories

you do see that cows hardly get any of the soy, right? and that the vast majority of what is fed to them is the waste product from pressing the soybean for oil?

cattle are hardly fed any soy at all, but the vast majority of the soy fed to livestock is the industrial waste from pressing soybeans for oil. that’s conserving resources.