Jabril [none/use name]

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  • Both figures pander to their domestic audiences.

    One figure is pandering to their audience, which we know because they are consistently caught making things up just to pander, and the other side is saying the terms of the deal as they are. It isn’t pandering to say what something is.

    Throwing out a reference about “right-wingers” doesn’t hold up if someone actually looks at the article.

    The first words of the article are a quote from Trump. The article soon goes on to use the bad math I criticized in my original post, which is blatantly wrong and a lie. The article is flatly lying and misinforming people, and to what end? I have seen plenty of articles say “trump said 100 years, delcy said 25,” but this author only presents one side of the information, which immediately undermines their credibility and shows that their framing is against Venezuelans. Trump is presented as the teller of truth, and his is the only side presented for that part of the article.

    There are more quotes from Venezuelan right wingers later in the article:

    Talking about the US role in his country, Carlos Pérez, a 23-year-old automotive mechanics student, told the Los Angeles Times, “They tell us we have to wait two years, maybe more, while in the meantime they do business with a government that wasn’t elected, that was imposed on us, and that we don’t want.”

    “We were expecting elections,” Antonio Marchetti, a 45-year-old plumber and electrician, told the same newspaper. “This pact with Trump entrenched the dictatorship that he himself declared war on. But to get rid of Maduro, he left the rest and did business with them. It disgusts me.”

    both of these people are saying that the Chavistas need to go. Delcy was elected as vice president and since the president is no longer able to govern, the elected vice president is now the interim president. This person says they weren’t elected and the other person says Maduro was a dictator. These are literally right wingers, being quoted and framed as simple “working-class opposition.”

    The Angela Davis letter about Iranian politicial prisoners is a controversial topic, and there are various points of view on the left. But that doesn’t make them “reactionaries”.

    actually, when your imperialist nation is in the middle of a war against another nation in an attempt to destabilize them and steal their resources, posting an open letter that gives credibility to the idea that the enemies of the US are also bad is reactionary. It’s not “various points of view on the left,” it is careerist, wealthy people with CIA connections who have a decades long track record of being counter revolutionaries. They use their proximity to revolutionaries in the 60s as a shield to promote US imperialist talking points and make large salaries in the process. I’m not slandering them at reactionaries, I’m letting their actions speak for themselves and not being tricked by their words. You may enjoy allowing people to manipulate you into believing things that are obviously false, but I am a materialist and need evidence to form my perspectives. Someone can say they are on the left all they want, but when they start promoting the idea that the enemies of US imperialism are also bad too, they are working for the US state department’s interests, not the left’s.

    here is an article from 2024 from the same website promoting the US imperialist narrative that Maduro stole the elections and calls Hugo Chavez an authoritarian: https://world-outlook.com/2024/09/17/venezuelas-elections-fraud-foretold/

    again, this is reactionary imperialist propaganda pretending to be “from the left.” The same people saying Delcy is a traitor said Maduro stole the election and Chavez was a dictator. These people are right wing.

    here’s an article saying Russia invaded Ukraine “unprovoked”: https://world-outlook.com/2022/02/27/russian-troops-out-now-for-ukraines-independence-u-s-nato-out-of-e-europe/

    these people are now supporting a Nazi regime that did a coup in Ukraine which was undergoing an ethnic cleansing of Russians. They are genocide deniers on top of being imperialist stooges. They have dozens of pro-Ukraine articles, making them automatically pro-NATO and pro-Nazi.

    from the about page on the website you linked:

    Defending the Cuban Revolution, as the only living example today of a society that shows a road forward for humanity, is an essential part of our philosophy.

    aside from everything else I’ve given as evidence, the editors claim Cuba is “the only living example” of socialism. This means they reject every other socialist project, (what AES refers to, the nations that self identify as socialist), which with the rest of the evidence of their own words: support for Ukraine, parroting of imperialist talking points, and thinking the Chavistas have been authoritarian dictators since Chavez, I have provided all the evidence needed to show that your friends and comrades from this article are literally reactionaries posing as leftists, which leaves us all to wonder about you.

    if your friends and comrades think Ukraine is just a defending itself, think Hugo Chavez was a dictator, think China and Vietnam and Laos and DPRK and every other socialist project are all capitalist nations pretending to be socialist, parrot US state department lines about Iran and Venezeua, etc. then you are on the side of reactionaries along with your friends who publish their reactionary news website. its one thing to just be posting stuff online and not really realizing what it is, but its altogether another to say “these are people I know, they aren’t reactionaries” but yet they post reactionary things regularly. that makes you culpable



  • This article has several false statements in it. It isn’t a 100 year deal, it’s a 25 year deal, so the extrapolation of 2 billion per year based off Rodriguez saying it would bring 200 billion in revenue is blatantly false. They also quote multiple Venezuelan right wingers in the article and mostly rely on US state department for their information.

    Upon looking at the website further, they also condemn Iran by “standing on the side of the open letter” recently published by Angela Davis et al about Irans political prisoners.

    They also claim Cuba is the only socialist project left.

    Really interesting how reactionaries posing as leftists keep using US state department talking points to manufacture consent against Venezuela and people here eat it up