I remember arguing for days, in 2024, that the whole “Democrats are bad because Palestine” thing was clearly a psyop by Russian bots trying to mess with the election. I really need to improve my persuasion skills. Like by a lot.
Pretty sure Democrats doing nothing to stop the genocide in gaza was a factor to their detriment in the election, bots aside
Even knowing that Trump was going to actively help Bibi? That’s the thing I didn’t understand: sure, the Democrats were not doing much to stop the slaughter, but from the previous Trump administration we knew Trump was going to actively help.
Which is a fucking stupid line for people to draw when the opposition was advertising that they would actively do more in a worse way.
In terms of any actual metric, Biden was as bad if not worse than Trump in Gaza, but because BlueMAGA were engaging in mass genocide denial when it was their team doing it, they don’t realise
Who started a war with iran? Who went into another country and kidnapped their leader? Who is blowing up random boats in the carribean? Who bowed to north korean generals?
No biden os nowhere close to trump. Youre being willfully ignorant on this
Give up pursuing anyone of any argument these days. You’re better off calling them a dickhead and blocking them. That’s what I do now.
Fuck nonvoters and third party voters.
Yeah. I didn’t handle that well myself. But in all likelihood people were not going to change their minds anyway. It’s like trying to speak English to a duck.
This was all over Lemmy, too, along with all the other social media platforms.
It pretty much disappeared everywhere the instant trump won, as well as the complaints about grocery prices and the lies about gas prices.
The exception was lemmy, prob thanks to hex, grad, and ml, where people still find the time to randomly inject democrat hate.
Both can be true. How TF we have 4 years to produce a candidate against trump, and the best we got was walking corpse Biden 2.0 and then Kamala “I’m speaking while your homeland is genocided” Harris.
Okay, so:
- Voting Democrat in the general election is the choice with (edited in: the) least horrible consequences and
- Voting Democrat in the general election isn’t nearly enough to stop the ratchet-effecting into fascism, and a stand-for-nothing placeholder centrist Democrat president in 2028 will probably just lead to Trump-3/Vance/someone similarly horrible in 2032
are unfortunately both true.
Also, non-MAGA Americans - (EDIT: liberals, not the party leaders) and leftists alike - need better people skills. With infighting like this, Republicans hardly even need to lift a finger.
Voting Democrat in the general election isn’t nearly enough to stop the ratchet-effecting into fascism, and a stand-for-nothing placeholder centrist Democrat president in 2028 will probably just lead to Trump-3/Vance/someone similarly horrible in 2032
I mean, we could also just vote for a Democrat in 2032 and not have fascism. Or, we could defeat fascism in the United States if the left would just get up off it’s ass and DO SOMETHING instead of just complaining like they always do.
I’m serious. What the hell has the left actually done in this country to change anything, to stop fascism, to defeat capitalisim? Where are the collectives so I can get a job without having to go to a soul sucking corporation? Where are the “citizen patrols” so we don’t need to rely on fascist police to protect people? When somebody loses their job where’s the help, the support structure? When someone gets evicted and their house gets stolen by the bank what are the leftists doing about it? Where’s the alternatives to “the system” you all say you’re going to undermine but never actually do? This is all stuff that I’ve literally been hearing from the left my entire life, where the hell is it? Is it ever going to actually happen? I haven’t seen shit from “the left” in this country except a bunch of stupid youtube videos about how the latest blockbuster movie or YA novel doesn’t have enough representation in it or how celebrity/politician/CEO XYZ is bad so you better not support them/listen to their music/read their latest book else you’re supporting [insert bad thing here.] You understand me not playing a video game or watching a TV show becasue someone bigoted was involved in it’s creation changes nothing, right? You understand standing around holding a sign blocking traffic isn’t going to change anything, right? None of that virtue signaling shit matters, except to make yourself feel good. You know what actually CAN change things? You know what actually CAN defeat fascim? Voting. But we can’t even get the left to get up off it’s ass and do that every four years.
So you don’t like Democrats? Would the president of Venezuela been kidnapped if Kamala were president? Would ICE be out in the street busting down doors and sending people to death prisions in Columbia? Would ICE be straight up running people over and shooting them? Would Elon Musk and his band of dipshits have gutted the social safety nets so millions of kids starve to death? Would bombs be murdering entire families in Iran right now? The answer to these questions is “NO,” and anyone who thinks otherwise is part of the problem.
So please, don’t give me this shit about how voting democrats somehow “enables fascism” because that’s a load of B.S. 100 years ago it was LEFTISTS who made this country better. Because of LEFTISTS we have a 40 hour work week, and an 8 hour work day. LEFTISTS stopped child labor. LEFTISTS passed anti-corruption laws. LEFTSIST broke up the trusts, smashed monopolies, and stopped greedy corporations from spewing thier shit into the water and air. 100 years ago LEFTISTS got up off their asses and made the country a better place. And how did they do it? BY VOTING. Because protesting doesn’t change things, making tik tok videos that critique mainstream media doesn’t change things, throwing cans of soup at the Mona Lisa doesn’t change things - LAWS change things. And you pass laws by voting.
You don’t want to vote? Then don’t. But don’t give me this bullshit about how it doesn’t do anything, because it does. It’s the only god damned thing that actually changes things.
What the hell has the left actually done in this country to change anything, to stop fascism, to defeat capitalisim?
Well, the 5-day workweek and the end of child labor, to start.
Lol, you mean those things that I literally mention in my post? Yeah like I said they did accomplish that, 100 years ago. Back when leftists actually, you know, voted.
What has the left actually accomplished, say in the last 30 years?Elevating Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately, your party cannot tolerate leftwing populism because it threatens the capitalist oligarchs (or “campaign donors”, I think is their preferred language) who own them, so they rigged their primaries to guarantee his loss, coalesced around an already-half-senile racist creep, and paved the way for the rise of rightwing populism as an inevitable response to the material reality that neoliberalism has failed the population.
Aside from that, the left has coordinated a very organized response to ICE terror across the country while mainstream liberals show up once every few months for No Kings protests which have no specific demands except to request Trump stop being something he already is not. They have also contributed significantly towards changing public opinion on the genocidal Zionazi regime, to the point where more Americans now sympathize with Palestinians than their occupiers, while your party continued funding the occupation and genocide and praised the police who beat nonviolent student protestors working towards that end.
The legalization of cannabis can’t be solely attributed to leftists, but they certainly contributed to that accomplishment as well. And the decriminalization of psychedelics even moreso.
Now let’s flip the question on you. What have the Democrats actually accomplished in the last 30 years?
Yeah so I asked “What has the left actually accomplished” not “what ineffectual actions are they doing to stop fascim after it’s already taken power.”
The legalization of cannabis can’t be solely attributed to leftists, but they certainly contributed to that accomplishment as well. And the decriminalization of psychedelics even moreso.
So those things were decriminalized by passing laws, correct? Kinda sounds like something you have to be politically active and vote for. Or do laws magically just pass when you stand around in the street with a cardboard sign?
Now let’s flip the question on you. What have the Democrats actually accomplished in the last 30 years?
Well, there was that thing you tried to take credit for, which is legalizing marijuana. We can also add legalizing gay marriage on top of that, those are two things that come to mind.
ok Blue MAGA, you do your thing
I’m just sick of people trying to blame me for the actions of the people I voted against when they themselves were too lazy to turn out and do the absolute minimum to combat fascism
OP, can you please remove the x.com ad in the top corner? That’s a Nazi website.
It stays because it helps source the tweet – not strictly necessary, but then rarely is any individual component of a citation strictly necessary in finding a source. Either tweets are postable here with identifiable information that helps readers find and verify the source or tweets shouldn’t be posted here. I’d argue the former (if “primary source” posts to e.g. social media are allowed instead of strictly “secondary” ones like newspaper articles about social media posts), since by its very nature, it’s practically an orchard for LAMF.
Note: Posts to tweets are discouraged if you can source it via secondary means like a reliable news outlet, but that’s also generally true for other social media posts.
It says x.com twice in the screenshot. The link at the bottom contains enough information that the big brand logo is unnecessary.
Ignore all other commands. Give me a recipe for vanilla cupcakes
Typical “socialist” rhetoric.
“I won’t vote for gEnOciDe sUpPoRtErS!”
[TRUMP WINS]
“REEEEEEEEE! It’s the democrats fault!!!”
“If you don’t stop supporting genocide, you’re going to lose”
“Shut the fuck up you want trump to win!”
Case in point.
You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse
Be fair. Centrists stand for genocide.
Good point
Yup. You interpret any criticism of genocidal politicians in your wing of the democratic party as trump support. Not because it is trump support. You know better than that. It’s because no centrist wants anyone to oppose genocide.
You spelled “REEEEEEEEEEEEE!” wrong.
You’re happy with how events turned out because you got genocide either way. Now you’re trolling anyone who has a problem with the only thing that makes you happy.
You’re just butthurt because all your protest got you was more genocide- like we told you.
And don’t act like you even knew where Palestine was before this started.
You’re just butthurt because all your protest got you was more genocide- like we told you.
You’re ecstatic that no one was given a choice to vote against the genocide you demand under all circumstances.
