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Title text: This is how you all fucking sound
[A smug tech bro wearing a sideways cap, watch, chain around his neck stands in front of a data center by a lake with dead fish. A smoke stack blows pollution into the air]
Tech bro: AI is already here, there’s no going back.
[A smug man in a suit with cigarette in hand stands in a restaurant while two disgruntled diners cough from the smoke]
Suit: Smoking indoors is already here, there’s no going back.
[A smug man in a top hat and suit stands in a factory with two sad and dirty children]
Hat: Child labor is already here, there’s no going back.
[A smug plantation owner stands in front of a field with with two angry slaves]
Plantation owner: The Atlantic Slave trade is already here, there’s no going back.
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Thats not how it works.
A better example would be “nuclear arms are already here, theres no going back”
Its not a capitalism thing, its an arms race thing.
Once one country starts making nukes you cant stop everyone from following suit to protect themselves.
Same goes for AI, once one country starts doing it, everyone else is gonna need to keep up so they dont lose the arms race.
Yes, but at least at the end of the day you can use nukes to blow stuff up. Presumably your enemies.
If your enemies win the generative AI “arms” race they can use it to, uh…
???
(Yes, I am aware there are military/governmental applications for neural net learning technologies but they’re the types of pattern recognition and signals analysis stuff we already do without needing to build a football stadium sized datacenter every 50 miles and burn the entire nation’s GDP on electricity generation. Most of the other applications appear to revolve around a regime using it solely to shoot themselves in the foot, e.g. powering a fantasy army of likely to be highly defective murder robots or using it to propagandize at and spy upon their own population in order to ensure a ready supply of destabilizing internal dissent always exists.)
LLMs are not the final state of AI
But LLMs are not the path to the final state of AI, either. And that’s assuming only if — and this is a very big “if” — a true general artificial intelligence can even be created using traditional silicon computing methods in the first place. Blithely assuming that it can be is really rather asking past the sale.
Thing is: All of the examples still exist to various degrees.
And just like them AI is not going to vanish. Even more so than the others because AI is information. It’s like trying to ban E2E: The genie is out of the bottle.
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Sigh. This comic is as delusional as the rambling of Sam Altman about AGI.
AI is a tool and despite all its shortcomings not a disease. It’s important to wrestle it out of the hands of the techbros and give it back to the people.
But it’s going to stay and no yelling at the clouds will change it.
It’s also a fundamental misunderstanding of why people say “there’s no going back”.
Practically anyone with a gaming computer can download Ollama today and run a decent open source model and do stuff locally, download it, take their computer offline, then use AI without touching any billionaire’s SaaS products.
You can get some productivity out of those models. You can use LLM, generate images, use computer vision, get help coding with local offline agents. It might not be as clean as using some of the paid tools and closed source models, but they work.
And that’s what people mean by, “there’s no going back”. What the technology does is going to keep being a thing. It might dissipate a bit as the bubble pops, but it’s not going away just like it’d be weird to try and make the internet technology go away at this point, even after the dot com bust.
It doesn’t mean we can’t regulate data centers and their construction. It means the technology is developed and open source and usable by practically anyone, and the tooling will stay around.
AI will eventually enable a society without wage slavery. Everyone will have enough and some extra. No one will need to work.
And there literally is no other option to get a society without the need to work. AI really is the only way.You guys sound like: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=jkGCsni9TD4
You’re really comparing the use of AI to actual slavery?
3 of the 4 panels are on topic, the smoking one I would say doesn’t belong. The topic is about labor exploitation. Slave labor was cheap brute force labor. Then it was banned. So people pushed for more child labor (not that it didn’t exist in parallel to slave labor, just not as utilized). Once child labor was banned from being the dominant labor exploitation there was also the rise of things like company script and company towns. Also banned. For the past few decades we have lived through globalism as the main method of exploitation, pushing for remote jobs filled from cheap labor countries and shipping factories overseas. Now we have AI. And we are seeing that for specific tasks it can be exploited for cheaper labor. Humanity will always find ways of exploiting cheap labor.
In 100 years this will be about cloning slaves and arguing that they aren’t real people. Capitalists will control the cloning farms and use the clones as exploitable labor. And in a short time after the exploitation of clones, they will argue that it is already here and there is no point in stopping it.
I dislike what AI could do to art, but i don’t really mind AI at work. I mentioned it in another post, I like AI because it minimises the tedious and time-wasting data entry at my job.
“what you all sound like”
* Equates AI to slave trade and child labor. *
There’s something funky here pot and kettle wise, because “AI is here to stay” and “oH my GaaahhhwwD it’s an AI sLOP” are two sides of the same annoying coin.
Leave your fragile downvotes from both camps wherever there is space and chill out already.
Hard disagree. There was a pod I was listening to where the argument was AI is akin to the farming revolution. A coworker this week said the steam engine may be valid too.
The point is, AI is a train roaring down the tracks. You can’t stop it. You might be able to slow it down at best but it’s here and it’s heading in the direction of the future.
The worst thing you can do is dig in your heels and pretend the train away. I acknowledge the train and will use the train but it concerns me.
So Reddit and lemmy have a lot of people with WFH jobs probably paying hookie for what little responsibilities they do have and their jobs are first on the chopping block as AI continues to take over which is why it’s the only place in society you are negative sentiment towards AI
Going online and being positive about AI is like going to a horse barn to brag about your Model T
I love people downvoting a completely rational take
The people down voting fundamentally disagree with the axiom that AI is akin to the farming evolution. If you disagree on it being the future then the whole argument falls apart. That’s the whole center of the disagreement between AI tech bros and those of us trying to stop it
I think too many people are too dug in on the fallacy that real value isn’t being generated by AI. It is. I see it every day at work.
I get that it’s scary and frustrating and I get that jobs are going to be lost. We (royal) need to do better and demand better from our governments.
I said elsewhere but the genie is out of the bottle and we can’t wish it away. You either acknowledge that and want to build a sustainable future with it, or you are a luddite digging in their heels on a lost cause.
Back to the farming analogy on the pod he explained that it was a similar groundswell of protest because jobs were disappearing and people were rightly up in arms. But here we are 100+ years later. The jobs never came back. Tractors are here to stay.
I’m sorry, man, me fucking you in the ass is here to stay. It doesn’t matter what you do, you can’t just stuff the genie back in the bottle. Well, I guess it is in the bottle, actually, eheh heh heh~.
My man, we can do, literally, anything we want to. We own the planet.
Yes and do you have the overwhelming support of the rest of the planet?! Lol. Fucking delusional.
“Seize the means of production” energy. Great in theory but we live in the real world.
I’m gonna seize the means of your production pretty soon, buddy, and it’ll be enough to make your neighbors blush.
🤣🤣🤣 best of luck!
There’s been a lot of studies showing that people think they’re being more productive and improving things with AI when in fact they aren’t. Your perceived value runs counter to the actual data.
Anecdotally I see the opposite of you. Nothing but slop pull requests and mountains of more work being churned out that I have to spend all my time sifting through. Literally draining value away.
I’d argue those around you are doing it wrong. I’ve seen far from this.
When your best retort boils down to “skill issue” you should probably take a closer look at your position…
Better than those who bury their heads in the sand? 🤷♂️
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